Posted to Technical Discussion Forum on 1/18/2023
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Hello all, new member here. Thanks in advance for any
advise. I'm pulling my hair out on this one.
'16 F150 Ecoboost, cranking no start. No codes. Scanner
shows rpm, 175-200. Scanner also says cams and crank are in
sync after you start cranking it. Fuel pressure, low and
high side, actual and desired match on scan data. Fuel
quality test is good, too. I have spark, but it is very
random, not normal. I think it's going into FMEM. I pulled a
plug and can see injector squirting as well. Checked
compression on that cyl, 120psi. Running out of options, so
I started scoping the cam sensors, all have a nice square
wave. Then I scoped the CKP at the PCM, this is where it
gets weird. The signal wire has 5v on it at all times, start
cranking and it has random down spikes. How can I have RPM
on scanner with this "signal"?? According to CKP testing,
I'm not supposed to have any voltage on signal wire with
sensor unplugged (Test JD13 for Fords CKP test procedure).
So I get time to access sensor and test. Remove and Unplug
sensor, have good VREF and SIGRTN, KOEO and cranking, and
have 5v on signal wire. Unplug PCM, check to test if signal
wire is shorted to VREF, it's not, no continuity. And with
PCM unplugged, 5v on signal is gone. Plug PCM back in, 5v is
back on signal wire. Cut signal wire near PCM, no more 5v on
signal wire sensor side, but sill has 5v on PCM side of cut
wire. PCM internally shorted to 5v it on pin 11 it seems?
(PCM Connector C175E). Used video scope, tone ring looks ok.
But even a bad tone ring wouldn't cause there to be 5v on
the signal wire all the time.
So with no more bias 5v on signal wire, I figured I should
get a signal on the crank signal wire up to where I cut it.
So I scoped it and there is nothing at all. 0 volts. Even
tried a new Motorcraft sensor.
Thanks everyone.
Tyler Grant Technician Tony's Auto Service Phoenix, Arizona, USA
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