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2004 Audi Allroad Quattro 2.7L Electronic VIN: WA1YD64B04
Mileage 173,782 Audi Dealer - Requested the owner remove it from their shop - not wanting to make repairs. Towed 80 miles to me - because I was willing and had the heart to take the job on - Ran into more than a simple bargain. Thanks to the membership who ...
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2007 Audi A4 2.0L MIL Lamp on VIN: WAUAF78E57
2007 audi a4 po455 fuel evap large leak.hello group have this vehicle ,had codes for intake runner and evap [...] and p2014.cleared system first put gas to half tank vehicle was driver over 40 miles for intake runner no codes came back.po455 comes on aft... Trouble codes: P0455
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2004 BMW 745Li 4.4L Intake manifold VIN: WBAGN634X4
we are fixing the breathers that tear on these n62 engines-problem is that the intake is full of oil-on the older engines cleaning the intake is easy this one looks more complex-would like to know if there is even any way this can be done or if any one has att...
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2006 Buick Rendezvous CXL 3.5L instrument cluster, fuel gauge, tach, coolant temp VIN: 3G5DA03L16
Customer brought this one in with a no start complaint, found starting fine, but found security light on after start up, then on test drive Trac off light came on, then fuel gauge, tach, and coolant temp gauges dropped off! a couple of seconds later gauges sta...
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2007 Buick Lucerne CXL 3.8L MIL Lamp on VIN: 153GS83JL7
this car is kicking my butt it came in with a code po411 incorrect air pump flow i checked the air pump to make sure there was no water in it then i could operate it with the scanner pump worked very well i checked all the hoses for cracks did not see any next... Trouble codes: P0411
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2002 Cadillac DeVille DHS 4.6L a/c VIN: 1GEEH90Y72
Hey all this car came in about a week ago blowing warm air on drivers side and cold on pass. Side. I read through all the posts on here to try to help fix this with no luck as of yet. First off i recharged the system as many posts said this is a problem on the...
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2007 Cadillac Escalade ESV 6.2L Electronic VIN: 1GYFK66847
Hi all GM techs( I have this Cadillac Escalade (expensive Suburban) after driving it for a while, evaporator freeze up( I have check The A/c system, all gauge reading good, all inside and outside ambient and inside sensor changing with temperature. I have a Co...
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1967 Chevrolet C10 Pickup 5.3L 3-2shift
Customer has installed 200r4 transmission with shift kit and 2500 stall converter. He brought to me when he couldn't get it to shift as he wished. First I adjusted the TV cable on carb by adjusting pivot points and was able to get upshifts nice and crisp and w...
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2000 Chevrolet Suburban 2500 LT 6.0L fuel rail, pressure regulator VIN: 3GNGK26U1Y
Vehicle came in with a noise in the fuel rail in the area of the regulator, pressure was a little off so the regulator was replaced. Noise gone, customer took home, called next morning, noise back! At this point someone suggested "fuel pump" said there's an ac...
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2003 Chevrolet Impala LS 3.8L high idle VIN: 2G1WH52K43
car came in with high idle. has had intake gaskets,plenimue gaskets, mass,iac,and tps installed. noticed had 2 volts on tps, unpluged and still had 2 volts. removed iac and closed of ports and has min idle speed less then 400 rpm.
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2003 Chevrolet Express 3500 6.0L MIL Lamp on VIN: 1GBHG31U93
This high mileage van has a P0300 and shows consistent misfires on cylinders 5 and 8 when accelerating down the road or in neutral, though no misfire is felt or actually occuring. We cannot complete a crankshaft variation relearn procedure, which is our main c... Trouble codes: P0300
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2003 Chevrolet Express 2500 6.0L ipc,ebcm,pcm VIN: 1GCGG25U63
ipc,pcm,go down when ebcm is connected to data bus, system is normal when removed bypassed harness still same issue abs warning persists on ipc all the time looking for a pointer i have to be missing something!!! i have checked the harness for chaffing at the ...
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2004 Chevrolet C6500 Kodiak C6C042 8.1L Hesitation, Surge, Cuts out, MIL Lamp on VIN: 5B4MP67G24
This thing going up hill act like it isn't getting fuel. He will stop for few minutes & continue. Looking at the scanner freeze frame, shows that it is open loop when this occurs. Any thoughts would be welcome. Thanx Trouble codes: P0131, P0151
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1994 Dodge Intrepid 3.3L Misfire VIN: 1C3HH46T9R
Came in with intermittent missfire at about 50 mph. Will shake car (noticeable). On our chassis dyno with mag rpm pickup it will graph a dip of 50 rpm each time. With vantage on any plug wire it shows a drop of voltage. Backprobe cam sensor-shows no problem. c...
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1997 Dodge Intrepid ES 3.5L Surge VIN: 2B3HD56F4V
Hey Gang, under light throttle, in any gear, at speeds from 15 to 25 MPH or so, the engine surges until you decel or press down further on accelerator. When problem happens, I can see the tach vary from about 900 to 1100 RPM, it also shows on scanner ( I als...
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2000 Dodge Neon ES 2.0L Compressor
A/c blows cold 42 degrees but only when brake pedal is applied.compressor engages only when brake pedal is pushed.charged system 2 weeks ago and was functioning properly.but now this new issue has come forward.did not see where brake switch could be connected ...
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2001 Dodge Ram 2500 5.9L extended crank hot VIN: 3B7KF23681
this vehicle was brought in beacause when is cold it starts right up, but after it gets hot after 160 degrees , if you shut off it will take a long cranking time... around 15 sec then it will start fine and run fine , it does not show any codes ,i check the co...
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2008 Dodge Charger SXT 3.5L Timing belt VIN: 2B3LK33G38
This is our 1st 3.5L timing belt job, Alldata says to remove valve covers and loosen rockers, is this necessary?? Just looking for any tips on this job, thanks in advance, Mark.
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2001 Ford F-350 Super Duty Lariat 7.3L Brakes, Steering VIN: 1FTSW31F21
Having problems with loosing the power steering when aplying the brakes or at an idle. We have replaced all 3 components, flushed the system and still the same.if the engine is reved it work.
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2003 Ford F-150 King Ranch 5.4L front wheels VIN: 1FTRW08L63
Fellow IATN members I need your help.Customer called last week that truck was locking up in the right rear,also said maybe an issue with L front.I get vehicle in on Friday and inspect.Found drag on RR wheel attributed to sticking caliper.Replace both rear cali...
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2004 Ford Ranger Edge 4.0L high LTFT VIN: 1FTZR45E84
Truck came in to the shop with a no power complaint. Codes p0172, p0175. Fuel pressure in spec at 65 PSI. Long term fuel(LTFT) read 16 on both banks at idle. Short term fuel trims(STFT) read 0 or 1 at idle. I replaced the MAF and the and the truck runs great n... Trouble codes: P0172, P0175
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2005 Ford F-350 Super Duty King Ranch 6.0L no power VIN: 1FTWW31P15
Maybe some of you powerstroke guys can help me with this. All replies are greatly appriciated. This truck came to me from another shop who had put head gaskets on and a egr by pass. The truck has no power at take of so I did a turbo boost test with Modis and w...
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2006 Ford F-150 XLT 5.4L steering has no assist VIN: 1FTPW14536
Hello everyone ,I have an 06 F150 thats making a fool out of me . Customer shows up here first time with no steering assist at all . Was told elsewhere that his tire pressure was causing his problem . Fluid looked clear and was not burnt . I installed a reman...
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2000 Isuzu Rodeo LS 3.2L Poor Idle Quality, Hesitation, Cuts out, Stall, MIL Lamp on, backfire VIN: 4S2DM58W0Y
i got a good one. It's a 2000 isuzu rodeo with a 3.2. It runs rough, hesitates, dies occasionally, and backfires under load only when cold started and in open loop. I sprayed down the intake manifold for vacuum leaks and couldn't find one. Both short and long ... Trouble codes: P0300
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2000 Jeep Cherokee Sport 4.0L Serp Belt VIN: 1J4FF48S5Y
This is the girl freinds jeep. i cant stop the serp belt from squeaking. I have tried a dayco and a good year gator back. I can make it stop for a day or two. My feeling is the pullys are worn. has any one seen this ?
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2006 Land Rover LR3 4.0L abs VIN: SALAE24446
Hello to all. This vehicle arrived with a concern of abs and traction lights coming on after stop and go driving. She also stated that it drove differently during that time. We could not reproduce the concern but found PO504-29 brake circuit code stored. We re...
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2007 Land Rover LR3 SE 4.4L charge indicator VIN: SALAE25447
vehicle came in with low batt. voltage.. charge battery. test for battery current draw. ok. test alternator with vat40. alt not charging. renew alternator. retest system. charging okay at 13.0 volts. test charging system with vat 40 and snap-on brick. everythi...
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2003 Lincoln LS 3.0L bangs into reverse VIN: 1LNHM86S63
car came in for banging into reverse. scanded no codes all other gears ok drove fine. sent it to trans shop had trans redone problem still there .has anybody run across this problem please help thank you
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1990 Mazda MX-6 DX 2.2L electric window VIN: 1YVGD31B9L
Car came in with drivers door window down and would not roll up. Remover door panel and found no voltage to the switch. Tested fuses under the instrument panel(all tested good. Has a good ground. Used a booster battery to raise and lower the window by jumping ...
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1998 Mazda 626 DX 2.0L Engine VIN: 1YVGF22C1W
This vehicle misfires, will sputter and die; only at idle. Very smooth once you hit the gas. No codes. I am thinking it is a vacuum leak but cannot find it.
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2002 Mazda Protege5 2.0L Surge, MIL Lamp on VIN: FFJNFVDSG2
this one is driving me up a wall. came in with the map /pressure sensor disconnected.and the tank pressure sensor connecter at sender not plugged in all the way. and a missfire coade on cyl 1 from a plug wire that was not plugged in all the way and the lean co... Trouble codes: P0171
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1994 Mercedes-Benz C220 2.2L Poor Idle Quality VIN: WDB2020206
This is a C200 fitted with [...] engine. Engine control is PMS Motronic .The car came in with low idling (550-600rpm with air-con on and in "D"). Due to the low idling engine sometimes wanted to stall and was shaky. Otherwise it was running perfectly.... Trouble codes: 021 (Idle speed control in limp home-mode)
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1998 Mercedes-Benz E320 3.2L MIL Lamp on VIN: WDBJF65F1W
Good morning, I'm trying to find what ground signal or what is normal for the rear heater circuit on this vehicle. I have my voltage going to O2's, and the computer is grounding the O2's for 100ms, 1 time every second. For the 100ms the rear heaters are on the... Trouble codes: P0161 (O2 Sensor heater left O2 after TWC), P0141 (O2 Sensor heater right O2 after TWC), P0400 (EGR Malfunction)
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2002 Mercedes-Benz ML320 3.2L starter VIN: 4JGAB54E22
Hey guys, i have a 02 mercedes ml320 with a clicking starter (moms car)have checked all the basics including battery terminals, fuses, bench test starter,swaped out starter relay in engine compartment and all checks out ok. I am limited to working on this car ...
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2006 Mini Cooper S 1.6L left rear caliper VIN: WMWRH33556
We are getting a metallic clattering noise from left rear wheel area over bumps. Noise goes away when e/brake cable is adjusted or slight brake pressure applied. Noise returns approx 25-30 miles after adjustment done.
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2007 Mini Cooper 1.6L MIL Lamp on VIN: WMWMF33537
Have code coming back after map sensor replacement, snap on shows one code number other scanner shows differnet number same discribtion,2EES, e225 map thermostatic activation. Previous map values all over the place mostly low, new map fix that problem but stil... Trouble codes: E225 (MAP Thermostatic)
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2008 Nissan Xterra X 4.0L tpms VIN: 5N1AN08W18
after erasing all codes on road test right front, left rear and left front wheels pressure registered ok. Replaced right rear sensor only as that was the only returning code c1710 no data from sensor. After sensor replacement and codes erased on road test now ...
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2005 Saab 9-3 Linear 2.0L Hesitation, MIL Lamp on VIN: YS3FB49S45
Customer came in with lack of power and code p2138. Scoped pedal position sensor at PCM every thing looked perfect. Read postings on IATN and Direct hit. Told customer best guess was pedal position sensor. Replaced sensor, cleared code and all was good for 2 d... Trouble codes: P2138 (Pedal position senso correlation)
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1995 Subaru Impreza 1.8L Hesitation, Stall
My nephews car. Car died on vacation and local mechanic said it needed a fuel pump. After the new fuel pump install he drove 100 miles and refuelled. Car would start and die after a few seconds. He put a fuel relay in car then another fuel pump with no change....
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1994 Toyota 4Runner SR5 3.0L Hesitation, Poor Fuel Economy, MIL Lamp on VIN: JT3VN39W9R
As stated in repair history, we have already replaced the knock sensor and harness with factory toyota parts, and the code keeps coming back. We have tested all grounds with excellent voltage drop readings. *We have a signal from the sensor to the computer w... Trouble codes: 52 (knock sensor signal not input to computer for 6 revolutions between 1500-5200 rpm)
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1998 Toyota Land Cruiser 4.7L No Start, Surge, Stall VIN: JT3HT05J0W
After the repairs stated above, the engine was still hard to start and would not hold an idle. Ok, typical, I'm thinking it is the idle motor that so typically causes this on Toyotas. More much alarmingly, though, once the throttle blade passed %30 open (or s... Trouble codes: P1128 (Throttle motor lock malfunction)
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1998 Toyota Camry CE 2.2L Excessive Emissions, Poor Fuel Economy VIN: JT2BG22K1W
Headache, please help, car came infail smog gross polluter, p0401 to low egr signal, install egr vsv and cat that took care og problem tretest car twice one pass emissions and fail monitors, the other test pass over all, customer took test on test only center ... Trouble codes: P0171, P0401 (Low egr)
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2001 Toyota Corolla CE 1.8L Misfire, MIL Lamp on VIN: 2T1BR12E11
Hello everyone, I have this engine problem with this Corolla w/ the 1.8lt VVTi engine. I replaced the timing chain w/ a complete service kit from NAPA. Once the job was done the car ran beautiful. Customer picked and called shortly after saying that the MIL ha... Trouble codes: P0300 (p0304-), P0304 (p1349-), P1349
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2009 Toyota Tacoma 4.0L No Start VIN: 3TMMU52N99
Now there is no comm with techstream software or any other scan tool. Tried battery disconnect and tried to reflash again. Any help or tips would be greatly appreciated.
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2001 Volkswagen Jetta TDI 1.9L No Start, Poor Idle Quality VIN: 3VWSP69M91
Removed and cleaned carbon from intake and valves. Runs good after starting has been achieved.2001 jetta tdi long crank cycle glow plug light comes on for 1 sec. And turns off. Engine cranks tell oil light comes on before engine ever tries to run. Have disconn... Trouble codes: P1248 (Manufactors air fuel controlled spec.)
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2006 Volvo XC90 V8 Ocean Race 4.4L Advise VIN: YV4CZ85296
Thanks for reading this. This car came in with the complaint of not being cold enough at idle and at low speeds. After a 20 minute drive to our shop, the car never really cooled off inside. They had the car at another shop and were told it needed a new compres...
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2003 BMW 745Li 4.4L No Start, MIL Lamp on VIN: WBAGN63493
Hi all, We have been dealing with identifix and have not come up with a fix yet, but heres what we have done. First we scoped the PT CAN data at the mechtronics connector, pins 6 & 2 and found it operating at 1v to +2.5v CAN H and 1v to -2.5v which indicating... Trouble codes: 4F56, 5140 (No message from Engine Management), 507D, 281E, 2760 (secondary air system bank 1), 2761 (secondary air system bank 2).
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2008 Cadillac CTS 3.6L radio VIN: 1G6DM57798
Sorry for the late reply,Never found the problem the only thing I did was removed all the fuses one by one and reinstalled and everything worked. Still to this day the customer say everything is working as normal.
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1995 Chevrolet K3500 Cheyenne 7.4L Shifting problem VIN: 1GCHK39N2S
I replaced the aftermarket VSS I had previously installed with one from the dealer. Now the VSS output has no variation. I did check the tone ring for being loose and the alternator output with a lab scope, so the only thing left that it could be was a crapp...
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1996 Chevrolet Blazer 4.3L Pedal VIN: 1GNDT13W1T
Well, i feel this one is fixed. First off My solus ultra, a modis, and an old mt2500 brick all state that there is no bleed function test for a 1996 blazer but all list a test for a 1997, but it will not do anything on my setup. I wanted to try a genisys from ...
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1999 Chevrolet Blazer 4.3L fuel pump VIN: 1GNCT18W6X
Good evening all I think this vehicle is fixed.I had already checked the fuel pump with the amp probe and also tried switching the relay with a another one,that is why I posted the problem the way I did,just giving the symptoms and if anyone had any ideas.Well...
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2003 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 4.3L dies
Okay went on side of road and fixed vehicle. The black and white wire going to the coil is the modules input. It was open at times. I took ohmeter and and check it while wiggle testing wire. Open circuit at times and at times show good. Replaced connector goin...
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2005 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 5.3L Accessories VIN: 1GCEK19B85
Put in new BCM and it fixed the problem. Thanks to all .
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2006 Chevrolet Tahoe LS 4.8L all VIN: 1GNEC13V26
thanks to all who replied. i measured my spindles and found them to be the same on either side and measured a pair on a known good truck with same measurements. kevin from ontario nailed it with the center link being installed improperly. tech previous to me h...
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2001 Chrysler PT Cruiser 2.4L engine VIN: 3C8FY4BBX1
Thanks for all the replies everybody sent regarding this problem. Everything pointed to a cam / crank timing issue - but last diagnosis / results were the fact that compression was at 90-100 psi, and it just was not enough to make this engine run..
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2004 Chrysler Pacifica 3.5L gear position sensor/switch VIN: 2C8GF68434
Thanx for all the good advice. The sensor seal holding tight in the case was the worry part, but wiggling it down with care was all it took, thanx again to all who replied. George
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2004 Chrysler Intrepid 3.5L Poor Idle Quality, Surge, Stall VIN: 2C3HH56G34
used ecu off to the dealer for reprogram all is good Thanks for all the help
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1998 Dodge Ram 2500 5.9L Steering VIN: 3B7KF266XW
Hey guys, thanks for all the responses.After 3 trips to the alignment shop, the truck is 80% better than before. Can't sell my boss on the frame braces, so it's still a little squirrely. Thanks again guys!!
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2006 Dodge Ram 3500 SLT 5.9L Low Power VIN: 3D7LX38C96
Thanks for all who replied. I ended up checking exhaust backpressure, catalytic converter was plugged. Replaced & problem solved. Thanks again Trouble codes: P1753 (Transmission Throttle valvle performance).
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2006 Dodge Grand Caravan SXT 3.8L lifter? piston? VIN: 2D8GP44L16
Obviously, the only way to know for sure where the noise is coming from is take the engine apart which is what we are going to do after trying the chemicals for about 500 miles if the noise is still there. It is actually getting quieter the more they drive it....
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1988 Ford Bronco Custom 5.0L starter VIN: 1FMEU15N3J
After all request/comments we cleaned the bell housing from the quarter inch of mud/dirt and found a crack through the entire transmission housing customers is sleeping on it if he wants to fix Thanks to all who replied
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2000 Ford F-150 Lariat 4.6L No Start, Stall VIN: 2FTRX18W1Y
Hello again fellow techs, I installed a new PCM today and had it programmed and all is well at this time! Vehicle starts normal, theft light operation is normal, odometer operation is normal. I let vehicle run in shop for 20-30 min to be sure, before it would ... Trouble codes: U1262.
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2002 Ford E-350 Econoline 7.3L Excessive Emissions, Poor Idle Quality, Hesitation, Surge, Cuts out, Stall, Misfire VIN: 1FTSS34F12
Ok guys, this one is down the road with a big FIX. There was a fuel supply problem. Turned out to be the supply pump on the frame. It had 30 psi on starts up and would drop to 0psi while running and loosing power. I tried selling a motorcraft pump but the cus...
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2005 Ford F-350 Super Duty King Ranch 6.0L Hesitation, Cuts out, MIL Lamp on, Water in Fuel Messag VIN: 1FTWW33P25
Hello everyone, The customer filled up the vehicle's fuel tank with another fuel vendor's fuel and 'voila' the problem was solved; sorry for not replying to this sooner but I just got the verification by the customer that the initial diagnostic was on the mon... Trouble codes: P0261 (Cylinder 1 Injector circuit low).
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2004 GMC Sierra 1500 SLE 4.8L pcm reset VIN: 2GTEC19VX4
The PCM was bad. Once it was replaced the vehicle retained memory and all OBD II monitors ran and were retained. Vehicle passed state required emissions.
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2004 Honda Civic DX 1.7L oxygen sensor VIN: 2HGES15114
Ok , after talking to the dealer I found out that on some Hondas if you run premium gas that is blended with ethanol it wi actually foul the air fuel ratio sensor, Honda replaced the sensor for me under warranty, the customer switched to regular gas at shell.....
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2004 Hummer H2 6.0L no cool air VIN: 5GRGN23U14
Thank you for all of your help. This vehicle required just a couple ounces over Utility vehicle specs to bring charge to spec. The customer installed an orifice tube and did not have the equipment to recharge the system.
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2003 Lincoln Navigator 5.4L seats VIN: 5LMFU28R63
seems like we need a i.d.s tool to reprogram the module so I sent the customer to Ford.Thanks for your time
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2000 Mercury Cougar 2.5L Poor Idle Quality, MIL Lamp on VIN: 1ZWFT61L2Y
Taking the advice i got i checked further for vac. leaks. Smoked intake and found leak at the lower intake where the shaft for the imrc is located. After found leak with smoke checked with carb cleaner while watching fuel trims. STFT went negative as soon as c... Trouble codes: P0174.
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2005 Nissan Altima SE-R 3.5L Timing Chains VIN: 1N4BL11D75
We replaced the rear cover with a known good one, the smaller o-rings were very flat and possibly leaking pressure, all o-rings and gaskets were replaced and all is well now. Thanks for all the help and suggestions. I wish I could know for sure which it was, n...
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1999 Oldsmobile Aurora 4.0L headlites/taillite/stoplite VIN: 1G3GR62CXX
well here goes..this car we bought cause its clean n the only problem it has is not headlites but park lamps stay on w/everythin n off position.switched modules n now my headlites r stayin on..i`m goin backwards so i`m closin request w/still same problem if no...
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2000 Pontiac Montana 3.4L Misfire VIN: 1GMDX03E7Y
Well, I kinda feel like a moron, but not completely. I always tell my guys not to overthink things and stick to the basics to begin with. Ended up doing a full compression test and found ZIPPO compression on cylinder #5. (now, I know that #5 is the mate to ... Trouble codes: P0300 (Cylinder misfire).
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2000 Saturn SL2 1.9L compressor VIN: 1G8ZK5274Y
this one is finaly gone!!! thank you to every one. all though that it caind of turned in to a blog for some people. others were very help full about my problem. it turned out to be a bad reman conpressor. afther re checking and replacing the expansin valve fou...
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2000 Saturn LS2 3.0L Hesitation VIN: 1G8JW52R9Y
Sorry this toke so long. We finally put a delco mass air flow and the hesitation went away!! After about 30 seconds of great running it quite but after a qiuck change of a crank sensor everything is great.
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2000 Volkswagen Jetta GLS 2.8L Hesitation, Misfire, MIL Lamp on VIN: 3VWSE29M6Y
Thanks for taking the time to help out guys. The vehicle isn't fixed yet. I received a wiring Diagram and some descriptions of the codes from another couple of fellows. I used my Bentley manual for a 2002 Passat and diagnosed it with that. The newly remanuf... Trouble codes: P1565, P1542, P1171.
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2001 Volkswagen Beetle GLS 2.0L fuses VIN: 3VWCB21C91
Well thanks again Robert for the help. Well the check engine light was not coming on, so I started checking the power supply and grounds to the ECM found pin 121/62 had no power with the key on. I did a quick wiggle test on the harness and the power returned.R...
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2004 Volkswagen Passat GLS 1.8L no communication VIN: WVWPD63B54
thanks to everyone. pulled the carpet and found a lake of water. the central ctr module dead and wires broken from the harness. found a piece of harnes with connectors and a used module from junkyard, fixed the clogs in the cowl, pullked out the carpet and let...
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2004 Volvo C70 2.4L Ignition Key VIN: YV1NC63D14
WHAT I FOUND TO BE CAUSING THE KEY NOT TO RETURN WAS THE BUTTOM THAT ALLOWS YOU TO PUT THE VAR IN GEAR IN AN EVENT YOU HAVE A DEAD BATTERY OR THE SHIFT LOCK SOLENOID DOES NOT WORK WAS STUCK AND CAUSING THE KEY NOT TO RETURN.WE CLEANED IT UP AND ALL IS WELL THA...
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