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1997 Acura CL 3.0L power seat VIN: 19UYA224XV
thanks in advance for any help here. the problem is with the forward-reverse slide, every time you hit the switch forward the seat will move 1/4" and it will do the same going back, it will go all the way in both directions if you keep hiting the switch, i've ...
1999 BMW 328i 2.8L wipers VIN: WBAAM5336X
we have a customer with wipers that work when they wont too we can watch live data with scanner from wiper switch, and all is well we think motor but didn't won't too throw parts at it any help will be greatful thanks russell
2006 Buick Rainier CXL 5.3L Mechanical VIN: 5GAES13M26
Customer's wife drives 60 miles per day, states using 3 pints of engine oil in 900 miles, which is about 2 weeks of driving for customer. Performed engine compression test and cylinder leakage test, all acceptable results. Inspected crankcase for internal leak...
1999 Chevrolet Malibu LS 3.1L Coolant loss VIN: 1G1ND52M4X
Need some help here. We have our 2nd (used) engine that has developed the same symptoms. Coolant is being pushed out of the reservoir when driving. We have replaced every part of the cooling system (including the engine 2X). EVERY TIME the vehicle works PERFEC...
2000 Chevrolet Tahoe 5.3L Hesitation VIN: 1GNEC13T0O
Vehicle came in with severe power loss after running approx 3 minutes. test drove vehicle and ran fine for approx 8 blocks, stopped for light, and upon leaving light, had virtually no power or acceleration with misfiring in intake. Limped it back to shop and d... Trouble codes: P0301 (Misfire 1)
2003 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 5.3L Hesitation, Cuts out, Stall, MIL Lamp on VIN: 2GTEC19T83
Group need some help on this one. We had in the shop 2 weeks ago for code p1516. I found a broken wire at the throttle body connector. We replaced the connector and throttle body with new gm parts. Test drove and truck did great. Before repair you could not dr... Trouble codes: P1518
2006 Chevrolet Tahoe Z71 5.3L Drive-axles VIN: 1GNEK13T56
vehicle came in with customer complaint of noise. test drove vehicle to verify. Noise appeared to be coming front the rear of the vehicle and very loud. Completed rear repaires as stated in related history. Upon test drive found that noise was dramaticly quiet...
2008 Chevrolet Silverado 3500 HD LT 6.6L remote start VIN: 1GCJK396X8
Hey guys, this is my personal truck, Bought it like this. remote start dont work, cant find anything on alldata. or iatn about remote start.Is there its own module somewhere?i would like to know what controls this to see if i could look and see if its missing....
2002 Chrysler PT Cruiser 2.4L coolant fans VIN: 1GMDX03E4W
so, i tested the fan with my power probe and found that the low speed is out and high comes on just fine. since the ac is not hooked up right now i wanted to see if high speed would come on if the car stared to get hot, since it has a overheating problem. so o...
2002 Dodge Stratus R/T 3.0L MIL Lamp on VIN: 4B3AG52H12
Hello, thanks for reading. This Stratus came in for the MIL on and code 134 was stored. Genisis scan tool showed 3 sensors reading normally and b1s1 stuck on 0v. Back probing at the sensor showed a varying voltage on the white wire coming from the o2 and going... Trouble codes: P0134
2003 Dodge Ram 1500 SLT 4.7L Stall VIN: 1D7HU18N13
I have customer that has a stalling and/or idle surging problem that was frequent and did happen to me while bringing it in to the shop to hook up computer. Truck stalls intermittently, only at low rpm at low speed or at stop in gear. I found no codes, fuel ad...
2005 Dodge Grand Caravan SXT 3.8L Left sliding door VIN: 2D4G244L45
Visual and physical testing shows nothing jammed. Door opens about a foot.you can manually open it the rest of the way.Closing the same stops short about a foot short of latched. Only thing funny I noticed is when it stops scanner goes to no communication mode...
2006 Dodge Ram 1500 ST 3.7L Hesitation, Stall, Misfire VIN: 1D7HA16K76
must be my month i have 3 dodge trucks all with 3.7, 2 are autos 1 is a manual trans.they all have the same symptoms,Intermittently will stall out and or run roughand will not idle.temp ambient and engine temp don't seem to play a role in this.they all spit mu... Trouble codes: P0129, P0300, P0132, P0344, P0340, P0325
2006 Dodge Ram 2500 SLT 5.9L MIL Lamp on VIN: 3D7KS28C96
Hi Dodge techs, We have 1 here thats stumping us. We've looked at all the previous post on this and went through this turck here, but the check engine light still comes on after the second test drive. The engine runs fine, we scoped the camshaft and have a goo... Trouble codes: P0341 (camshaft)
2006 Dodge Ram 1500 SLT 5.7L Poor Idle Quality, Stall, Misfire VIN: 6498567206
thanks for the help in advance. this one came in with a lifter tick at start up. put lifters in it and replaced both intake rocker shafts and all intake push rods. went to start it up and it would not start up unless i pushed on the gas. smells very rich. ever...
2007 Dodge Sprinter 2500 3.0L Cuts out, MIL Lamp on VIN: WD0PE74557
This sprinter goes into limp mode when starting to accel, when monitoring 5 volt supply to accel pedal sensor or boost sensor, voltage in park will go to 6-7 volts on accel, in rev. it will go to 12 volts than go into limp mode, at one time I had 12 volts with... Trouble codes: 1234 (acc. pedal pos. sensor 2 vollowtage too high), 1222 (acc. pedal pos. sensor 1 voltage too low), 2306 (sensor referance voltage 2 voltage too high), 1610 (voltage regulator denergizes too soon)
2007 Dodge Caliber R/T 2.4L MIL Lamp on VIN: 1B3HE78K57
Twice now this code has appeared and vehicle goes into limp. Code is stored in PCM, not TCM.Engine temperature gauge is normal and engine has no indication of overheating.Code definition says possible trans overheating also. No freeze frame captured.Have drove... Trouble codes: P0218 (P0218-high temperature operation activated)
2008 Dodge Ram 3500 Laramie 6.7L cooling system VIN: 3D3MX38AX7
Truck is going through coolant but no external leaks. truck does not over heat. System does not pressure up more then normal. Any ideas of where to look would be great. Thanks in advance.
2011 Dodge Ram 1500 5.7L MIL Lamp on, trans. in safe mode VIN: 1D7RV1CT0B
Hello, No warranty coverage over here. Customer got new truck and drive 100km. MIL on and transmission in safe mode while driving. After delite DTC comes back in 15 sec after start. We disconnected SPEED control switch from PCM but DTC still there. Is it reall... Trouble codes: P0750 (Lr solenoid circuit), P0581 (Speed control switch 1 circuit high), P0585 (Speed control switch 1/2 correlation), P0882 (Tcm power input low), P1593 (Speed control switch 1 stuck)
1991 Ford F-150 XL 5.0L # 1 cylinder VIN: 1FTEF14N7M
This truck has a noise like a squeaking belt. I have eliminated this by removing the belt and the noise is still there. The noise is worse under load you can stall it up in gear and the noise is apparent. The noise will go away if I pull off the # 1 plug wire ...
1998 Ford Expedition Eddie Bauer 5.4L Noise VIN: 1FMPU18L8W
All you ford guys I have a 98 expedition that has a noise and vibration in the front end at 40mph and on decel and its getting worse. We changed tires axles hubs and bearings, and even replaced the intermediate axle bearings between the axle and the differenti...
1999 Ford Taurus SE 3.0L Running lights VIN: 1FAFP58UXX
Hello again I have this Taurus wagen with not running lights all other lights work fine (turn signals, headlights, brake lights and hazard lights). According to the wiring diagram fues #20(in the underhood fuse box) is the one that feeds the the headlight swit...
2002 Ford Taurus SE 3.0L speedometer VIN: 1FAFP53U12
Hello, This is a odd one. The Speedometer on this car stops working at 25mph and falls to 0mph. The odometer also stops. With a scan tool connected there are no codes and the VSS reads properly. If you apply the brakes the speedo returns to normal until you le...
2003 Ford F-250 Super Duty XLT 6.0L Excessive Emissions, Hesitation, Cuts out, Stall, Misfire, Poor Fuel Economy VIN: 1FTNX2TP63
Vehicle misses out, found codes for number 1 clynder. When cold runs real bad, after warms up still misses out and low power. I am not a diesel mechanic and am at a loss other then to keep performing diag. Any help on this monster would be great ... Thanks Trouble codes: P0261 (Inj circuit Low Cly 1), P0262 (Inj Circuit High Cly 1)
2005 Ford Excursion XLT 6.8L MIL Lamp on VIN: 1F1NU40S45
Hello everyone, i need some help on this one. Vehicle came in the shop for the check engine light coming on. Has only one code the P0171. The truck runs great, it has no noticeable driveability problems. The fuel trim though is way off the mark. @ idle LTFT1:1... Trouble codes: P0171
2006 Ford E-350 Super Duty 5.4L Stall VIN: 1FBNE31L76
this van was in the shop in july for a stalls while making u turns. the other tech cleaned the t/b and sent it out. it now back with the same problem. i test drove to confirm an as i was making a u turn at the underpass the van stalled and died. i tried to sta...
2008 Ford Focus SES 2.0L a/c VIN: 1FAHP35N88
i have this 2008 ford focus that will not blow cold air out the vents. checked the a/c system with guages 35psi on the low side, about 200 on the high side. i can grab the low side line and it is ice cold. so i climbed under the dash to check the temp. blend d...
2008 Ford F-450 Super Duty XL 6.4L No Start, MIL Lamp on VIN: 1FDXF46R28
Diag concern from P2291 led to new high pressure fuel pump. after install, high fuel pressure rose but fluctuates from 200 psi to 2200 psi...after multiple high pressure system bleeds it hold steady at about 2200 psi. There are no other codes. Rechecked connec... Trouble codes: P2291 (Icp low cranking)
2008 GMC Acadia SLE 3.6L actuator VIN: 1GKEV13778
Hello, This Acadia was brought to us by another shop. it had codes for shorts to ground for the left upper temp sensor and no actuation of the vent control motor. I replace the temp sensor and the codes are all gone. the actuator is still inop. the previous sh...
2003 Honda Accord LX 3.0L Mechanical VIN: 1HGCM82703
Any help will be greatly appreciated.Don't normally do much with Honda trannies but this is my daughters boyfriends car.Got a call for rescue yesterday,they said could only go about 20 mph,from what they said I assumed not shifting out of first.Hauled car in o...
2002 Hyundai Accent GL 1.6L no reverse VIN: KMHCG45C42
hello everyone! this one is interesting, we have this accent that came to us with no reverse at all, but has all forward gears with normal shift patterns. and no codes. we disconected all electronic conectors from transmission to see if the problem was electr...
2004 Jaguar XJR 4.2L MIL Lamp on, limp mode VIN: SAJXA73B94
Trouble-shooting P1229 shows only checking the 2 circuits between the ECM and the throttle body. It states that if less than 5 ohms is the result, replace the throttle body. Our readings are .1 ohms. We suspected a faulty new part. We spoke to the shop foreman... Trouble codes: P1229 (Throttle motor control circuit malfunction)
1983 Mercedes-Benz 300TD 3.0L no air flow center vents
I have allData info and its diagrams not the best.I have 8 volts to #3 vacuum switching solenoid for center vents no flow;12 volts to #2 vacuum switching solenoid to other vents,has flow.I swapped 2&3 electrical connectors around and my center vents work.My qu...
1999 Mercedes-Benz E300 3.0L No Start VIN: WDBJF25H7X
Good morning Mercedes Benz techs everywhere.I have this Old Benz that has been a customer of mine for a while now,This car has had long cranking times and excessive black smoke on start up for as long as I can remember but the car ran fine.In the past(a few ye...
1999 Mercedes-Benz SLK230 Kompressor 2.3L Accessories VIN: WDBKK47F2X
Hello I have a wiring issue with this mercedes. it was supposed to be an easy fix just an R&R of the PSE module due to corrosion. well, problem is. there is a red and green wire that came out before i was ready for it to, and I `cant seem to find what cavity i...
2003 Mercedes-Benz G500 5.0L MIL Lamp on VIN: WDCYR49E63
Car came in for CEL on with a P0455, Major leak in purge system. I've smoked the system every which way and cannot find any leaks. Purge valves works, and holds vacuum. The tank vent valve seems to work and seals the system when commanded with the scan tool... Trouble codes: P0455 (Major leak in purge system MFR code P2013)
2001 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT 3.0L sunroof, interior light, radio VIN: 4A3AC84H31
No check engine light, runs fine, radio does not work, dash display for radio and lock does not work, key less entry does not work, power locks only work if car is running, power sunroof does not work. We have checked all fuses, checked the ECU in the fuse box...
1994 Nissan Altima GLE 2.4L Hesitation, Stall, Misfire VIN: 1N4BU31D8R
Hey guys need help.1994 Nissian altima with 2.4 engine has a stall and skip/hesitation when put in gear and/or accelerating.Seems worst when cold but has duplicated condition at almost all times.Fuel pressure at 39 psi when idling.Thanks for the help.
2007 Nissan Versa S 1.8L No Start, Stall VIN: 3N1BC11607
this car died will the customer was driving on the freeway would not restart, towed to the shop. of course once it got to the shop it started right up and hasnt died since. i know these car have fpr issues so i hooked up a fuel pressure guage it hanst died aft...
1995 Oldsmobile 88 Royale LSS 3.8L oil level sensor VIN: 1G3HY52K9S
I replaced the oil pan gasket on this car and now I have the following problem... Engine starts, Oil light goes out, check oil light goes out... After 30 seconds of running check oil light comes back on and stays on for 25 seconds then goes off again and is fi...
2004 Porsche 911 Carrera 4S 3.6L engine VIN: WP0AA299X4
Hello all Porsche experts, This one is weird. Customer had is oil changed at the dealer and they told him he had a rear main seal leak. He chose not to address it at that time. He drove the car for 200 miles without a problem. Then one day he drove into the g...
2002 Subaru Forester L 2.5L differential VIN: JF1SF63592
vehicle has now returned with a thumping/cv noise. in order to get this to happen you need to drive vehicle for approx. 20min. then make tight slow turns left or right forward or backward. At first i thought this was an axle issue at the left front, so i warra...
2008 Toyota Camry 2.4L ride quality VIN: 4T1BE46K98
This car is driving me nuts,in a slight curve,at 40 to 45 mph car shakes /vibrates from rear.All bearings hubs good tires are fairly new michelins,will do it with snow tires also so i dont suspect a tire /wheel issue,it also has an intermittent vibration from ...
1999 Volkswagen Beetle GL 2.0L Poor Idle Quality, MIL Lamp on VIN: 3VWCA21C9X
Came in as a no start, replaced faulty crankshaft sensor, Scanned codes and all 4 show up almost right away, Tried to relearn idle with Vag-com, Will not allow relearn, group 005 shows part throttle at idle, Checked wiring from throttle module to ecu,all good,... Trouble codes: P0117 (Coolant temp circuit low), P0121, P0341, P1544 (Idle circuit implausible)
2001 Volkswagen Golf GTI GLX 2.8L Runs Poor VIN: 9BWPG61J21
Vehicle came into the shop last week. Running poor, plug wires arcing, and coil arcing. Vehicle also had Check Engine Light code P0134. We replaced the plug wires, ignition coils. Plugs looked ok. We used dealer parts and are well aware of the problems with us... Trouble codes: P0134 (Sensor 1 Bank 1 Malfunction)
2002 Volkswagen Cabrio GLX 2.0L location VIN: 3VWDC21V32
Greetings Volkswagen Pros I have a problem in the evap system of this car which seems to be caused by a lack of power to the valve mounted on the charcoal canister which is identified as the canister purge solenoid valve in the electrical diagrams. The design...
2004 Volkswagen Beetle Turbo S 1.8L turn signals VIN: 3VWCD21CX4
Working on this 2004 beetle turbo. Checked all light bulbs and are okay, The problem is both the left and right turn signals blinks rapidly. Using the Hazard switch is normal. According to the Mitchell on Demand diagrams, power goes through fuse 2 and fuse 39 ...
2004 Volkswagen Jetta TDI 1.9L Serp Drive Belt VIN: 3VWSR69M14
Replaced t-belt as maintenance item. Car came back with serp belt making chirping noise when letting clutch out while steering. Replaced drive belt, noise was not noticed, car came back a week later with same condition / noise. We replaced the drive belt tensi...
2003 Volvo S60 AWD 2.5L the Green turn signal indicator lights on dash VIN: YV1RH591H5
Good morning, this car has an intermittent problem: the (Green) turn signal indicator lights on the dash SOMETIMES do not come on - the outside signal lights DO work when this happens -- the problem is that the inside "arrow" lights do not come on AND the " c...

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2003 Audi Allroad Quattro 2.7L Pressure sensor VIN: WA1YD64B53
So the car hasn't come back yet for those pressure sensors. But i'm going to close this one. Will update when car comes back. Thanks all for the info. Great help as always. Rob Del Rio M&R Car Import Svc. Chicago, IL.
1995 Chevrolet S10 4.3L rear brakes VIN: 1GTCS19Z3S
I want to thank all responses i got on this one its really upsetting when you have 2 set of shoes cause same problem replaced again but this time put wagner thermoquiet an low an behold problem fixed thanks again jim
1997 Chevrolet Express 1500 5.7L Stall VIN: 1GBFG15R7U
2002 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 4.3L Severe lack of power VIN: 2GCEC19WX2
I thought my fuel pressure gauge read a little low but apparently not the fuel pressure was only 45psi and jump to 60 when throttle opened. The fuel pump dead head pressure was 90+ psi so i figured it must be the fuel pressure reg defective so i replaced the r...
2004 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 4.3L Excessive Emissions, No Start, Poor Idle Quality, Surge, Stall, MIL Lamp on VIN: 1GECEC14X1
Thanks to all who responded. I checked for timiing chain strech and it was ok. After checking dist install position for the tenth time I decieded I had to try something. So, I retardedit one tooth-no start, advanced one tooth from mark on dist-truck ran perfec... Trouble codes: P0016 (Cam sensor out of time to Crank sensor).
1982 Dodge 400 2.2L Battery Light VIN: 1B3BV4538C
First off thanks to all that replied. It turns out that it was in the cluster I removed it and ohm ck the board it was okay. What I found was the voltage stabilizer connection were loose cleaned and tightend connections and also tightend connectors on the clus...
2003 Dodge Ram 3500 5.9L axle flange VIN: 3D7MU46C54
Hey Folks! So this is what I did, We found the axle shaft flange bent. Replaced axle shaft and no leaks so far! Thanks who had replied. there were great leads. Thanks!
2002 Ford E-150 Econoline 5.4L MIL Lamp on VIN: 1FMRE11L42
Hay thanks for all the help 21 replies wow I'm glad you guys are there. turns out fuel pump was the problem.after running it for three days with no problems it findley acted up in the shop when I was scooping the crank sensor it. That turned out to be ok. but ... Trouble codes: P0174 (Lean condition bank 2), P0171 (Lean condition bank 1).
2003 Ford Mustang 3.8L Noise At Throw Out Bearing VIN: 1FAFP40453
2005 Ford Explorer Sport Trac XLT 4.0L Abs Module VIN: 1FMZU67K05
2005 Ford E-350 Super Duty 6.0L no power delay pedal VIN: 1F23456788
Unfortunatly it has been weeks since we started this horrible caos without any answers. apparently i forgot to mention many details about what i had aready done to the van. some of you suggested to run it with out the cat, i did. somebody else ask me about the...
2001 GMC Sierra 2500 HD SLT 6.6L fuel system VIN: 1GTHK23101
Bypassed the filter/primer assy with the clear hose and the bubbles disappeared. The primer assy is the culprit. Thanks to all who took the time to reply.
2003 GMC Envoy XL SLE 4.2L Surge, Cuts out VIN: 1GKET16S83
Thanks to all who gave their input, unbenounced to me, the previous tech installed a fuel tank from a wrecking yard. Removed the tank and sending unit, found a ticket with a string attached in the fuel tank sucked into the pump.The ticket which came from the ...
1998 Honda Accord EX 2.3L MIL Lamp on VIN: 1HGCG6678W
Ok First of all THANK YOU to all of you who gave me a helping word. I worked on this car for a month. I came up with a bad ECM. But I was so screwed up with everything else I did, I needed a second opinion. so off to the dealer ship we went to. The final f... Trouble codes: 1382 (no cylinder position sensor), 1381 (cylinder position).
1999 Honda Accord EX 2.3L Hesitation, Surge, Misfire, MIL Lamp on VIN: 1HGCG5652X
Well this one I am going to say will be fixed. We decided to pull the the head off and in doing so we found the cam cap bolts and the head bolts loose. ( Head Gasket Replaced Elswhere ) The cam cap bolts in the center were backed out about an 1/8" so we are fi... Trouble codes: P0301 (Cyl 3 misfire), P1259 (Vtech system malfunction), P0325 (Knock sensor 1 circuit b1).
2008 Honda Accord EX 2.4L start/stall VIN: 1HGCP26318
Thanks to Eric [...] for getting me headed in the right direction. MAF is faulty. This was the first vehicle I have ever seen start/stall immediately with a bad MAF. Usually, I have seen them run poor but never like this without any co...
1990 Jaguar XJS 5.3L Steering rack VIN: SAJTW5845L
Replaced the steering rack with one that had a less turning ratio. Called manufacturer and they built one for me.
2001 Jeep Wrangler SE 2.5L Timing Chain VIN: SAJAV18A01
Thanks for the input guys. I took the timing cover off and found the chain in tact. However when you opened the oil cap and cranked the engine over the timing components moved but none of the rockers moved... I pulled on the top timing gear and the front jou...
1999 Lexus RX300 3.0L General quality VIN: JT6HF10U0X
lots of replies on timming belt replacement being important. The current owner has kept up the scheduled maintenace at his local Lexus dealer. the vehicle seemed to be solid but, had a light bearing noise comming from the r/h side front where I would guess the...
1990 Mercedes-Benz 560SEC 5.6L Stall VIN: CA45E9LA49
Thanks for all the help. I replaced the fuel pump relay and the car is running great. Customer picked up the car at the end of last week called me today and said the car has never ran better. Thanks again Dana
1980 Nissan 280ZX 2.8L Hesitation, Cuts out VIN: HS130-2090
I want to start by thanking everyone who offered their expertise,information and experience because its the vast wealth of experience that makes fixes on iATN possible. I checked all the items that were suggested by the members. I replaced the MAF again and it...
1991 Pontiac Sunbird SE 3.1L No Start VIN: IG2JB34T6M
2004 Saturn Vue 3.5L No Start VIN: 5GZCZ53444
Thanks to Todd, Jorge, Scott, Jim and James. The fix for the Saturn was a bad pcm, and the repair of 5 terminals in the blue plug to pcm. IATN and all the fine techs came through again. Thanks again, Kerry. Trouble codes: B1372, U1088, U1096.
1995 Subaru Legacy L 2.2L Excessive Emissions, MIL Lamp on VIN: 4S3BK6259S
Hi, This fix will not likely help many, but who knows. First thanks for the help from those who took the time to do so. The car was fixed by replacing the TPS. Viewing scan data while driving we observed that occasionally the TPS voltage would hang up se... Trouble codes: P0101 (MAF Circuit Range/Performance).
1999 Toyota 4Runner Limited 3.4L Poor Idle Quality, Misfire, MIL Lamp on VIN: JT3GN87R5X
Well guys, it was the injector. I was able to ohm it and it was showed open, the clicking when checking with a stethascope was from the other injectors. when replacing it i had #3 injector bottom come off and installled a new one, so 2 new injectors and had a ... Trouble codes: P0305.
2004 Toyota Tacoma 2.4L Cylinder head VIN: 5TENL42N84
I recieved some great comments. I will be replacing the cylinder head. Thank you.
2001 Volkswagen Passat GLS 1.8L radio VIN: WVWPD63B21
I cut the communication wire, and now it communicat with my scaner. Thank you for your help.
2001 Volkswagen Passat GLS 1.8L no communications VIN: WVWVD63B51
It was the timing of this problem that through me off. After finding the draw problem the car was parked outside in a nose down position overnight while waiting for the part. During this time water that had been under the rug in the backseat position migrated ...
2002 Volkswagen Beetle GLS 1.8L cluster VIN: 3VWCD21C32
The insterment cluster is bad and wont communicate so your unable to program the m.e./ecu. The client has declined the repair at this time.
2005 Volvo S40 i 2.4L VVT Unit VIN: YV1MS38255
Thanks Again to all who replied, In the end I found a TSB on AllData referring to an ECM update regarding this fault code. So Today the ECM was updated, and the code has yet to come back!
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