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1999 Audi A6 2.8L No Start
Hello everyone, I have an 99 Audi A6 that won't start. I have checked the basics and found that the engine has spark and fuel. What more does an engine need other than oxygen and proper timing? The timing belt is not broken. I pulled codes P1338 and P1392, cam... Trouble codes: P1338 (camshaft position sensor bank 1 open or short to B), P1392 (camshaft position sensor bank 2 open or short to B)
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2002 Audi A4 Quattro 3.0L Steering VIN: WAULT68E62
Hey guys I got a weird one here! Did a timing belt and power steering hose from pipe to pump! After all was done and put together droce car out and have no power steering, bleed system and used the proper power steering fluid (CHF11S) but no power steering! no...
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1999 BMW 540i 4.4L Stall, Misfire, MIL Lamp on VIN: WBADN6338X
Hi everyone, and thanks in advance for your input. First, a little background and a disclaimer- I did not begin the repairs on this car. Another of our techs started on it and I picked it up once it appeared that a major repair was necessary. This car has an...
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1999 BMW 323i 2.5L MIL Lamp on VIN: WBAAM3334X
Hello gang. Here I have 99 BMW 323i came with engine light on and codes for misfire on 4,5 and 6 and sec.air low flow on bank 2.Customer states the misfire is intermittent. Second day the car is in the shop and never misfire for me. Also compression and leak d... Trouble codes: 246 (Secondary air system low flow Bank 2), 242 (Misfire cyl. 5), 243 (Misfire 6), 241 (Misfire cyl. 4)
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2005 BMW 760Li 6.0L Cooling Systems VIN: WBAGN83594
I have this 760Li V-12 BMW with a coolant leak at the rear of the engine. It is dripping from in front of the flywheel and from the lower crank case half below the rear main seal. Can it be leaking from something from above and running down or leaking from the...
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2006 BMW 750i 4.8L Unknown VIN: WBAHL83566
We have an 06 750i with an erratic automatic transmission shifting problem. The car cam in a couple of weeks ago with code "4F81 ratio monitoring clutch A" when reading the diagnostics. no engine codes present. We advised the customer that maybe a transmission...
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2003 Cadillac CTS 3.2L Havc VIN: 166DGM57N3
Car came in with complaint of no heat on driver side , or lack of heat -ran car in stall ,got good heat from both driver & pass sides _test drove car ,38 degrees out side ,pass side ran about 180 degrees driver side 60 to 75 degrees cheched all actuators seem ...
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1988 Chevrolet C1500 Cheyenne 5.0L engine stalls VIN: 1GCDC14H8J
the engine stalls unless the steering wheel is turned all the way to the right.
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1991 Chevrolet K2500 Cheyenne 6.2L Poor Idle Quality, Surge, Stall VIN: 1GCGK24J4M
Hello Diesel tech;s, This one runs fine but at times it will just quit, so far at idle only. Then after restarting it will run rough, like there is air in the lines, until she cleans out and then smooths out. Sometimes it may run rough for a few minutes. The w...
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1992 Chevrolet K1500 Silverado 5.7L Poor Idle Quality, Cuts out, Stall, Misfire, MIL Lamp on VIN: 1GCEK14KON
Truck is idling up and down and stalling. CEL is flashing on and off. Sometimes when cel is on I can see a code for 15 coolant temp shorted or open. A ESC module fault, computer fault, and prom or memcal fault. Sometimes other codes but when light flashes off ...
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2000 Chevrolet Silverado 2500 6.0L 4wd VIN: 1GCGK29U1Y
Vehicle came in because of "Service 4wd" light on. Code was C0367- Front Diff actuator circuit High voltage. Followed flow chart. Tested entire circuit. It's a 5 pin connector that uses 4 circuits. Front axle feed circuit, ground circuit, front axle control ci...
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2002 Chevrolet Venture LS 3.4L Anti Theft VIN: 1GNDX13E42
The security system has disabled the injectors. I have tried several times to relearn pass lock however the security light on dash will not light and timer on scanner for relearn will not countdown. I have replaced the BCM for codes u1000 and b1884 (oil pressu...
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2002 Chevrolet Trailblazer LTZ 4.2L 4wheel Drive VIN: 1GNDT13S22
Hi everyone. Got one that is stumping us.. Vehicle came to shop with no 4 wheel drive, the wife stated that the 4 wheel drive light switch stayed on bright one day then flashed and the next day the light went out and no 4 wheel dr.. Scanned computer and found ...
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2003 Chevrolet Venture LS 3.4L Heater VIN: 1GNDU23E93
WOW, working on a 2003 venture van, complaint is poor heat. I noticed on defrost the heat is only warm, on every other setting it is a little hotter. If I hold the rpm,s @ 2000 it does blow hot. I checked for cyl head blown and the only thing I have not replac...
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2003 Chevrolet S10 4.3L fuel fill VIN: 1GCDT13X83
this is not a driveabilty problem but a fuel filling issue.in the last year truck gas tank was hard to fill up maybe 4 times .this time it took 45 minuets to put in 12 gallons.the neck fills up and takes too long to drain down into tank.there appears to be an ...
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2004 Chevrolet Cavalier LS 2.2L Poor Idle Quality VIN: 1G1JC52F24
This car at times will start good and then the idle will fall off and the car will stall. It will restart right away and will again stall out unless the accelerator is held down to keep enough rpms. The car can be driven when this happens if the accelerator co...
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2007 Chevrolet Express 1500 4.3L steering & brakes VIN: 1GCGG29U87
Fed ex van came in with a rattle noise and vibration with engine running and turning wheels and/or depress the brake pedal. Condition occurs with vehicle sitting still. We have not driven vehicle. We suspect p/s pump and/or inlet or outlet lines from brake boo...
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2008 Chevrolet Silverado 2500 HD LT 6.0L Fast idle VIN: 1GCHK23K18
Vechicle is from a car lot , came in with ses light on , had codes,121,2270. Cleared them and 690, 2119, caame back . Cleaned throttle body, then has fast idle. We scoped the tps's (both) found seconary to have a bad gliych. Replaced throttle body with a new g... Trouble codes: P0121, P0690, P2119 (Throttle closed position perf), P0507
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1997 Dodge Ram 2500 5.9L Front driveshaft VIN: 1G4GD22K6T
Owner felt heavy vibration on trans gear shift lever and through out vehicle beginning at 65 MPH and got progressively heavier as the speed increased. also noticed was lube oil being thrown from the front driveshaft seal at the transfer case output shaft. It...
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2001 Dodge Intrepid ES 2.7L No Start VIN: 2B3HD46R51
Greetings to all. Well, I am posting this for a former employer who refuses to get internet service. I won't be too hard on him though he was in the dark when I worked for him and it's better that way. :). I know you all have the answer to this but for the lif...
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2003 Dodge Grand Caravan Sport 3.8L extended crank VIN: 2D4GP44L43
2003 Caravan, involved in an accident. The PCM and connector was damaged, I replaced the plastic portion of the connector, the bodyshop had the new PCM installed and programmed at the dealer. Pins in the connector appear ok, Problem is this- on starting, the...
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1977 Ford LTD 5.8L oil slinger VIN: 1B222G66BG
Hey everyone, I have a 351M engine out of a 1977 LTD that I will be putting into a 1980 F150 for a customer. Along with changing many components during the switch over my repair manual says to install oil slinger onto crankshaft end. I installed new timing cha...
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1997 Ford Crown Victoria 4.6L No Start VIN: 2FALP74W1V
customer drove to autozone running ok.killed engine and came to start.no start,crank over fine,has spark,no fuel pump running,by passed at relay and started ok.no voltage at top & bottom o fuel pump relay wire color green w/ ornge stripe and green w/yellow str...
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1999 Ford F-150 4.6L Misfire VIN: 1FTRX17W8X
Got a weird one. This 4.6 Ford came into the shop about 3 weeks ago, bad miss, had original wires & plugs with 200K on them, replaced them and road tested, all good when it left. It's since been back for the miss 3 times, and for some reason it keeps popping t...
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2001 Ford Ranger Edge 4.0L primary timing chain VIN: 1FTZR15E81
we are in the process of doing the primary timming chain(for 2500 to 3000 rpm rattle )with the ford service kit. upon disasembly no readly aparent damage to guide or tensioner. i want to replace it any way since it is apart, we have all the holding tools from ...
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2002 Ford Explorer XLS 4.0L Transfer Case VIN: 1FMZU73EX2
Hi, This vehicle came in with 4wd not working. No indicator lights come on. Tried to scan module but will not communicate. According to other posts, these trucks are known for defective 4wd modules. I have tried 2 used ones with no difference. One thing I dont...
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2003 Ford Escape XLT 3.0L drivetrain VIN: 1FMYU93103
hello and thanks in advance for any help given. I am working on a vibration issue in this 03 ford escape. when you step on the gas you get a vibration under load while moveing,under your feet. I have rotated the tires. i replaced motor mounts two of wich were ...
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2003 Ford Focus ZX5 2.3L alternator VIN: 3FAHP37Z93
Customer complaint: battery goes dead. He replaced battery; dead in 2 days. I verified that system is not charging. I checked all fuses, including the one in the main starter /alternator harness(OK). I have battery voltage at the red regulator wire, and I jump...
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2003 Ford F-250 Super Duty XL 6.0L MIL Lamp on, Injector pump noise VIN: 1FTNX21P83
Customer complaint of a noise when vehical was turned off and happens all the time. Found what i belive is the injection pump buzzing-humming for 30 seconds or more after key has been removed. Same noise as key on for 5 seconds when fuel system pressurizes. V... Trouble codes: P0404, P0405 (Egr sensor A circuit low)
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2004 Ford F-350 Super Duty Lariat 6.0L No Start, Hesitation VIN: 1FTSW31P24
I have a hot no start and low overall power on this SICKS O. I replaced injectors and the FICM a month ago and fixed a no start problem. I still had a hot no start condition. I pulled the valve covers off and did an air pressure check and found that I had scre... Trouble codes: P2290 (Injector Control Pressure Too Low)
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2005 Ford F-350 Super Duty XLT 6.8L Excessive Emissions, Poor Idle Quality, Misfire, Poor Fuel Economy, MIL Lamp on, Running rich VIN: 1FDWF36Y05
This is our Roach Coach. Truck came in for its usually morning coffee break and driver said it just started running really bad and CEL was flashing. Customer knew of P0141 and P0446 codes and claimed they had been present for months. Truck also had P0300, P030... Trouble codes: P0141, P0446
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2006 Ford F-150 Lariat 5.4L Misfire, Fuel odor VIN: 1FTPX14576
Thanks for looking at my request. We have a f150 that we had serviced recently(400-500 miles ago) and the customer said that after we did that one time he was going up a hill and the ce light came on and flashed. He said it was missing, but it has not done it ... Trouble codes: P0304 (p0308-), P0308
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2007 Ford F-250 Super Duty Lariat 6.0L Cuts off warm VIN: 1FTSW21P97
I would appreciate any help that you can give. This Ford Truck has whipped us like a rented mule. It came in from a collison repair shop with the front end removed. We replaced timing cover and water pump due to damage. It returned after they installed radiato...
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1995 GMC Safari 4.3L Surge, Cuts out, Stall, Misfire VIN: 1GKDM19W5S
Been around the bend and back again. Initially came in with a rough idle and stalling. Would start on 4 cylinders, and then run on 5, and then 6 after awhile. Found a burn path in PROM, replaced prom and computer. Van runs OK in base timing mode, albeit with a...
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1995 Honda Passport DX 2.6L no spark VIN: 4S6CK58E5S
Hi all,I have a weird one. It has good spark to the dist. cap coil tower but no spark coming out of plug wire towers-rotor tested good,timing belt marks line up. It doesn't make sense to me-any suggestions? Possible distributor? Thanks,Phil
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2006 Honda Pilot LX 3.5L No Start VIN: 2HKYF18436
Car wont start,cranks and occasionally backfire,after extended crank acts like flooded,continue cranking and car fires right up to about 2500rpm and stalls,repeat cranking several times and eventually can get started,even after running until warmed up starts h...
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1989 Jaguar XJS 5.3L right front brake VIN: SAJNV4844K
vehicle pulls to left when stepping on brakes , i figured stuck caliper or brake hose on pass side , cracked loose bleeder on pass side ,nothing , did the same on drivers side and fluid came out nice , went back to pass side and removed line before hose and st...
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1989 Jaguar XJS 5.3L Passive restraint VIN: SAJNA5840K
This is one of those cars Jaguar equipped with the motorized shoulder belt transport. They were to be warranted for life, and I used to send all my customers with problems to the dealer and they would install new parts under the lifetime warranty. For some tim...
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2003 Jaguar S-Type R 4.2L Headlights VIN: SAJEA03V93
Greetings techs The auto leveling system on these headlamps works when I manually move the height sensors, but the lights point very low. I can move both lights up and down manually by grabbing the rear of the high beam bulb and pushing in and out. When pulli...
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2001 Kia Optima LX 2.4L Charging VIN: KNAGD12651
Car came in with dead battery. charged battery and tested alternator. alternator tested bad via vat40 charging system test. replaced alternator seemed to be charging fine. sent the car away. came back next day. battery had died on freeway. checked alternator w...
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2003 Mazda MPV EX 3.0L Od Light, Charge Light VIN: JM3LW28A73
Customer only wanted to replace alternator and perform a LOF so now electrical system is operational. Now we get rated a zero on survey so we get heat for it. So turns out it only does this cold. I never got it to repeat issues. other tech said it will have ch...
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2003 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG 5.5L convertor VIN: WDB2110760
Have an e55 with bad vibration when lockup convertor comes in, this happens on light to medium load.Scanning shows no saved or current codes, customer thought it was engine misfire. (shudder) when driving with scanner i can turn off solenoid for lockup convert...
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2004 Mercedes-Benz E500 4Matic 5.0L height control VIN: WDBUH83J74
this car sinks in rear. customer brought car to mercedes and they told her the left rear air bag leaked. they said change them in pairs due to age of car. at 850.00 + labor per side she sought another opinion. I told her i has limited software on that but i wo...
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2004 Nissan Murano SE 3.5L wont move VIN: JN8AZ08W34
A weird one here. This murano has no movement in any gear. when you put it in drive or reverse it just sits, I can feel it go into gear but when you give it gas, it wants to go but doesn't, the rpms just sit at idle. when put in neutral or park and floor it, t...
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1995 Toyota Corolla DX 1.8L engine VIN: 1NXAE09B6S
Toyota Techs, I need help with this 1995 Toyota Corolla DX 1.8L It hesitates at 55 mph or 65 and sometimes at 75mph. So far we have done a major tune up. I replace the distributor twice. I also replaced the MAP sensor, TPS, crank shaft sensor, ignite r. I also...
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2003 Volkswagen Passat GL 2.8L no coolant flow VIN: WVWWH63BX3
no coolant flow to heater core with engine running, no heat from heater.
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2004 Volkswagen Passat GLS 4 Motion 1.8L J569 brake booster relay VIN: WVWYH63BX4
Customer complaint of clicking under dash was traced to J569 brake booster relay. This relay is ground controlled by the ECM which does command relay on each time it clicks. There is no relationship between relay activation and actual booster vacuum. The quest...
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2004 Volkswagen Beetle Turbo S 1.8L Boost System VIN: 3VWCD21C34
Had a quick question for you VW techs. Working on a 2004 VW Beetle Turbo S. Need to now if Boost Pressure Control Valve the same as Wastegate Bypass Regulator Valve? Have a p1200 code/17608 and trying to do a resistance test.
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2008 Volkswagen Passat 2.0L rear calipers VIN: WVWGK73C38
Hi, I replaced rear pads on this Passat using Auto Enginuity to perform the piston to go back. Everything went well until I noticed a yellow P with a slash on the dash and the electic parking brake inop. There is a code set but cannot clear it. Does anyboby kn...
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2000 Volvo V70 X/C AWD 2.4L No Start VIN: YVILZ56D6Y
We have been tracing an intermitant no start for a while now its not so intermitant. Car towed in no start checked for spark , pulse and fuel pressure all good. Checked cam sensor (cmp) good pattern. Same pattern running or cranking. Car starts occasionaly whe... Trouble codes: P0342, P0340, ECM30, ECM64
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2005 Volvo XC90 2.5T 2.5L Electronic VIN: YV1CZ59215
Have a 2005 XC90 2.5T has a CEM 1A5F code for communication with the BCM signal missing. Car can in first time with code no active, fault traced and monitored everything thing fine. While test driving, messages and code came back, fault active when scanned the...
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1992 Acura Legend LS 3.2L engine controls VIN: 1BOGUSNUMB
Thanks to the many great replies this car is fixed! I ordered a new Honda ignition switch and pulled the main relay apart and checked all components, one relay had high resistance on the primary circuit so I replaced that relay and it's all happy again! Again ...
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2002 BMW 745Li 4.4L Steering VIN: WBAGN634X2
Thanks for the responses. I found the problem to be a bad electrical connection on pressure valve on steering rack.
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2003 BMW Z4 3.0i 3.0L Air Bag Light on VIN: 4USBT53413
I thank those who responded for the technical in sight. Especially Michael from CA., with the ohm measurments I was able to test the air bag and found it out of spec. So the repair was the replacement of the passanger door air bag. Thanks you people ROCK!
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1987 Buick Century Limited 3.8L Excessive Emissions, Poor Idle Quality, Stall, Misfire, Poor Fuel Economy, MIL Lamp on VIN: 1G4AL5133H
All right, here we go.. The car runs pretty well now and does not stall. Much better than it has run for a looong time. (the "no balance shaft" makes sense for my slightly rough idle right now. What I found chasing through everyones suggestions ad tracing... Trouble codes: 42 (Computer Controlled Coil Ignition or Bypass Circ. Failure), 43 (Electronic Spark Control Circ. Fault), 44 (old Lean).
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1998 Chevrolet K1500 Silverado 5.7L MIL Lamp on VIN: 2GCEK19R6W
thanks for your help, we did perform the reflash for the pcm, the fault code did reset after a short road test, the fix was replacement of the pcm, thanks for your help. Trouble codes: P1404, P0446.
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2002 Chevrolet Trailblazer LT 4.2L Air Bag VIN: 1GNET16SX2
I checked and rechecked most everything sugested and will replace the SMS module if the vehicle ever returns. Had some great replies and ideas (tried them all). Sometimes you go with the improbable when the logical dosen't work. Thanks for all the great res...
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2008 Chevrolet Impala LTZ 3.9L shifter VIN: 2G1WU58338
WE HAPPEN TO HAVE ANOTHER IMPALA COME IN TO THE SHOP AND LOOKED AT THE WIRES ON THAT CONNECTOR TO FIND OUT WERE THE GO THANKX FOR THE REPLIES.
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1996 Ford Ranger XLT 4.0L Poor Idle Quality VIN: 1FTCR14X3T
Once the KAM was reset, the idle slowly came back to normal in about 100 miles of driving. Thanks for all the help.
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1997 Ford Explorer XL 4.0L No Start VIN: 1FMCU22XVU
Thanks to all that replied. The rest of the story came out. When it didn't start the last time I pulled the plugs and tied to burn off the fuel but it didn't burn. It turned out that the head gaskets/cracked heads are leaking into the combustion camber. Car wa...
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1998 Ford Expedition XLT 5.4L Excessive Emissions, Poor Idle Quality, Cuts out, Stall, Misfire VIN: 1FMPU18L3W
thanks to all.you are not going to believe this.once i got into it i saw that the last coil in the back was not in the hole and another one was not secured properly.the three had water in it.i called the customer and told what i had discovered and she said a f...
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1999 Ford F-450 Super Duty XL 7.3L Misfire VIN: 1FDXW46F2X
Thanks for the great replies. Randall, Charles and Jesus, all posted excellent information to get this one fixed. I got thrown off by the code for #3 cylinder as I had already replaced the injector, and I ignored the code for #8 as it is so common to get a pha... Trouble codes: P0269 (Cylinder 3 failed contribution test), P0284 (Cylinder 8 failed contribution test).
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2001 Ford Explorer XLT 4.0L MIL Lamp on VIN: IFMZU73E91
I went over this again along with all the helpful tips i received, I found nothing out of the ordinary, I reset the KAM drove it for 3 days and no problems came about So I released to the customer this past friday and so far so good, THANKS for the help and SO... Trouble codes: P0171, P0174.
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2001 Ford F-450 Super Duty XLT 7.3L pto / idle up VIN: 1FDXF46F41
I went to the Ford website John had given us after talking with John (thanks so much John) from there I was able to print off a manual fr the auxillary idle control module. I followed the troubleshooter in the manual and found that there was no output from th...
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2007 Ford F-250 Super Duty XL 6.0L downshift VIN: 1FTSW21P27
Calling this one a fix customer called and said he had been up in the mountains and pulling a construction trailer and worked like a champ. The problem was the new (never even worked)solenoids that I replaced that were aftermarket. Got in touch a Ford tech tha...
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1993 Honda Accord EX 2.2L Cooling Systems VIN: 1HGCB7672P
It seems like every time i start a help request i the fix happens very shortly thereafter. I rechecked the hoses and found that someone had replaced the by-pass hose with just a piece of hose about 2 feet long and it had a big kink in it. Although i replaced t...
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2002 Kia Rio 1.5L 2-3 shift VIN: KNADC12554
After reading most of your responses I decided it must be electrical. Checked, double checked all of the connections. My scanner had to be on global and no info would come up for trans. Didn't act like a failure to communicate, just nothing there. Went down to...
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1995 Mazda 626 DX 2.0L Mechanical VIN: 1YCGE22C53
The vehicle has not come back yet but it will. Being used in town mainly. I did see it briefly since I last posted but customer had no time to leave it. I did see oil leaking out at bottom of timing cover with engine off like crank seal which I did replace wit...
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2001 Mazda Tribute LX 3.0L Misfire, melted cats VIN: 4F2CU8121K
thanks to all, #2 and #6 wires in wrong spots, customer rerouted wiring harness as you all suspected. he swears he will never do his own work again
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2001 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS 2.4L lack of power VIN: 4A3AC44G71
Thanks to everyone who replied to this request. I really appreciate the help. The fix was the left side balance shaft. I knew that there was a rear balance shaft on a seperate belt, but I didn't know that the oil pump had a balance shaft behind it. Since I nev...
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1991 Nissan NX XE 2.0L Hesitation VIN: JN1GB36C2M
Unable to find source of hesitation. Valves a little noisy, so I tried unplugging the knock sensor with no success. The only thing I can see on the scan tool is the timing retarding at mid throttle. Thanks for the help.
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2000 Nissan Maxima SE 3.0L Stall
put in a factory fuel pump and this car is fixed. the other fuel pump showed good pressure but was unable to keep the car running. aftermarket parts can be a waste.
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2005 Nissan Pathfinder LE 4.0L MIL Lamp on, Down on power VIN: 5N1AR18W25
Thanks for your input on this one guys. Everybody was right on. We tested for back pressure in the exhaust upstream of the B1 (right hand) cat and found it way plugged. Definitely causing the symptoms and the noise. The noise was coming from the flaps in the i... Trouble codes: P0300 (Random/multiple cylinder misfire detected), P0420 (Catalyst Efficiency below threshold).
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2004 Pontiac Vibe 1.8L Lubrication VIN: 5Y2SL62864
Thanks to everyone who replied. We recommended to the customer to replace the motor as that was the best way to fix the sludge issue. Customer denied to replace motor and wanted a "quick" fix. Flushed the motor to say that we did, Expressed on repair order tha...
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1997 Saab 900 S 2.3L Shifter VIN: YS3DD38B2V
Well I really did not get much help on this one at all. I ended up adjusting the Range position switch and so far so good, the shifter itself feels funny, but so far the car is working as it should so we will see what happens from here. Thanks to everyone, Ko...
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1998 Toyota Camry LE 2.2L No Start VIN: 4TBG28KXWU
Thanks to all who responded. Installed a new crank sensor with same results. Awaiting a new computer and programming. Tried a used ECM but it could not be programmed to work with the immobilizer and anti theft. Hopefully new one will be in this week. I will ... Trouble codes: P0340.
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2000 Toyota Avalon XL 3.0L MIL Lamp on VIN: 4TIBF28B2Y
Car is fixed. We replaced both knock sensors. Unable to get a new harness from Toyota. It was discontinued. Ours looked good and ohm checked fine. It road tested fine and no codes have reset. I suspect the TCC sol. will reset with time and explained to the ... Trouble codes: P0325 (Knock sensor bank 1 signal level too low), P0330 (Knock sensor bank 2 signal level too low), P0773 (Shift sol e electrical).
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2007 Toyota Sienna Limited 3.5L rear heater VIN: 5TDBK22C07
It did turn out to be a bad air pocket - took the advise and used a mightyvac and drew fluid through rear lines to front untill air bubbles quit thanks again
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