Chrysler CAN-C Network Issue
Posted to Technical Tips Forum on 8/24/2015
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Here's an interesting one we had the other day. The vehicle
was towed in as a no crank. The customer also noted that all
the lights were illuminated on the dash during KOEO, and the
key FOBs wouldn't work.
We performed a code scan and found that only the modules on
the Interior High Speed network would respond. I kick myself
now, but I missed the opportunity to take a WiTECH
screenshot of the inoperative network. Picture something
like [this] but all the modules on the left, connected
to the black wire, were colored red because they weren't
responding.
For those who may not be familiar, here's a brief overview
of how this network operates . There are 3 CAN networks
working side by side with a gateway (the Totally Integrated
Power Module/ TIPM in this case) as the center hub: The
Diagnostic CAN-C, CAN-C, and CAN-IHS. The [Diagnostic
CAN-C ] is like your standard CAN circuit at pins 6 and 14
of the DLC, except the network only goes from the DLC to the
TIPM, and is only used for Module to Scan Tool
communication, the other networks are for module to module
communication. The TIPM physically and electrically isolates
the buses from each other. The CAN-IHS (Interior High Speed)
is for "less critical nodes" (body, radio, etc) and the
[CAN-C] is used for "more critical nodes" (think
powertrain, brakes, airbags).
Since the DLC isn't directly wired to the CAN-C network, in
order to check terminating resistance you need to check at
one of the modules. With the battery disconnected, we pulled
off the ABS connector and found over 100 ohms of resistance
between the CAN + and CAN - wires. At this point all I know
is that it's not close to 60 ohms, so there's an issue.
Next, I back probed the network wires at the TIPM and scoped
a waveform like this during [KOEO]. At first glance it
appears like somewhat normal communication, but a closer
look shows that the bias voltage is resting near zero
instead of 2.5. Here's a shot of the [Diagnostic CAN-C]
for reference.
It appears that something is pulling these circuits low, but
not low enough to completely eliminate communication
attempts. The ABS, PCM, and TIPM are all near each other
under the hood, but unplugging them didn't change anything.
If you take a look back at the circuit [there's two
connectors] that can be unplugged to isolate those
portions of the network. We were already right next to
[C105] which connects the [Steering, Wireless, and
Airbag modules].
Unplugging C105 restored communication with some of the
modules. Plugging C105 back in brought down the network
again. In this screenshot [the drop is very apparent].
Of the three modules downstream of C105, the WCM and
Steering module are the easiest to access as both are
mounted to the steering column. Once the column covers were
removed it was apparent that someone had had been monkeying
around in there. [WCM]. A [closer shot] shows
that both the CAN + and CAN - wires at the WCM connector
have been piggybacked for an aftermarket alarm. Unplugging
the aftermarket module let the vehicle start and restored
communication between all of the modules. My co-worker said
afterwards that the module appeared to have gotten wet and
had a nice electrical burn smell to it.
A friend of mine works for one of those very same
aftermarkets. He tells me that they'll tap into the bus in
order to send Lock, Unlock, etc messages over the network.
Maybe for your next no crank no comm issue you might want to
consider sticking your head under the dash to look for one
of those modules.
Morgan from Minnesota
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