Posted to Emissions Forum on 1/7/2013
Re: STAR Stations Very Interesting
Awesome, Mike! Your candid and well-informed response gave
my faith in humankind a much-needed boost!
I find it impossible to disagree with you. Perhaps my
situation is an unnatural side-effect of the antiquated TSI
test. It's possible that the driver never saw a blinking
MIL, because, really, how many vehicle owners do you know
who are likely to hold a warmed-up engine at 2500 rpm in
park for 30 seconds?
Agreed. It is clearly a rare anomaly. I have only seen an
OBD-2 vehicle do this specific behavior twice, in over
16,000 inspections, and only one of them passed.
I agree whole-heartedly. Consistency is ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL
for the SVFR and FuPR to demand any credibility whatsoever,
I care. I always perform the MIL functional AFTER the
emissions test, because scenarios like you just described
are not as uncommon as many would like to believe, at least
in my many years of experience at that ragged edge between
legally registered vehicles and junk.
Excellent point! At the risk of sounding repetitious,
CONSISTENT, un-biased inspections are an essential
ingredient to ensure fairness to the customer, as well as
fairness to the shops and inspectors being subjected to the
Another excellent point. Variability is extremely prevalent
in OBD-1 MIL functionality, and, like it or not, will not
just disappear from the smog check program, unless, by some
small miracle, '95 and older becomes exempt. OBD-1 still
constitutes a small but significant percentage of my
inspection population (although that is quite likely to go
down this year, due to my lacking of STAR qualifications).
Variability, as you well know, is the opposite of
consistency, and is therefore a problem, one which STAR
fails to address properly, again IMNSHO.
I know that it's asking a lot from you, but could you please
decide whether any of my numerous problems with STAR have
the slightest hint of merit, and forward these concerns to
the appropriate people? I have been stone-walled in my
attempts so far, at least partially due to my anonymity and
abrasiveness, but I sense a glimmer of hope that you
understand at least a small portion of my reasoning,
possibly much more.
Respectfully and sincerely,
Quick Stop Smog & More
Sacramento, California, USA